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» Greyhound racings future bleak in FL
dad2paisley
 Posted: Mar 27 2011, 02:02 PM
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I don't know about the other tracks in the country, but in Florida, looks bleak.

I have to say it's not all the poker rooms at the tracks fault. I believe it's the old timers who aren't getting with this new age. There are so many other things people can do now a day and I believe the NGA and the old timer dog owners who have dropped the ball. Some of these old timers, don't wanna talk adoption, or to make sure their dogs get homes when the racing is done. They are still back in the old days. Not right. I know there are more dogs owners that do promote adoption, pre-adoption and want what's best for the dogs and this is the way to go. Gotta talk up racing, adoption to the public. Don't keep it a secret or get on the owners who do this great work.
There is no lure for people to come bet on the dogs at the tracks, why? Ok, there are those dedicated betters who come, but why are there fewer people showing up?
There's gotta be more advertising, more positive news stories, gotta get the media involved. Promotion on billboards, newspapers, radio/tv.
Sure, you can come and hit the casino, but also make bets on the dogs.

I am just mad, cause I am seeing possibly the end to greyhound racing. I love going to the track, make some bets and just to see these dog athletes makes me so happy and I get so thrilled to be there.

I wish we could get some greyhound owners on EG, so we could all discuss this and come up with a way to keep racing going and make it stronger.
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 Posted: Mar 28 2011, 03:39 PM
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D2P, you and I have had this discussion before as well as a few others on the subject of track closures.
I appreciate you standing up for those of us that treat the hounds well. Not all of us are monsters as some would suggest.
You are absolutely right in saying that people should come together to offer up suggestions to help stop the bleeding of our industry.
There are some problems however that first must be overcome.
1. You and I and practically everyone else in this industry do not own the tracks, nor do we have the money to make any type of difference. It's politics at its best or worst depending on your point of view.

2. It's all too easy to crucify a particular track when an incident occurs, and say "They should just close it down". If you don't believe me just read some of the comments about Ebro. The NGA is going about it the right way. Deal with the offender, not the sport. If we took everyones car away from them just because someone killed someone else in a wreck where would that get us.

3. No one has of yet found a way for the tracks to viably compete with casinos or any form of casino style gaming.
That's not to say there isn't one, but the fact is that the track owners have not yet decided to actually try and market their product in a competitive form. My opinion of them is that they are just too arrogant and lazy at this point in the game.

4. Now that Florida is on the radar screen of the industry, those of you that are down in that neck of the woods are concerned. As you should be. Problem is, the devistation of our industry didn't start in the last several months. It started quite a few years ago.
No one seemed to be in an uproar when Great Lakes closed. No big deal, it was just one track. There are many more.
A little louder discussion was heard when Multnomah closed. But then it was just one track. There were still more.
Then came Corpus, and Wichita and the Woodlands and Mile High and Lincoln and Phoenix and folks said hey, we've got a problem here. But we were told "it's just temporary, don't worry, just send your dogs to Florida".
The bleeding of our industry has not stopped yet.
You people of Florida heed my advice; stop finding every little thing to complain about the tracks. The media has a field day with any little thing that crops up and will soon make it the focal point of a legislative debate.
POWAAH decided to go the political route. Problem was they focused on just one area. It was too little too late.
There are many of us who have just flat worn out in the battle to revive the sport. We can't afford to battle in the political arena. It's up to the track owners. They are the ones that created this mess and they are the ones that are ultimately going to have to fix it.
The NGA doesn't have the answers. Nor do they have the funds. The only way I see this turning around is with some bright out-of-the-box thinker that actually cares for the sport and wants to see it suceed on its own merit.
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 Posted: Mar 28 2011, 03:56 PM
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Thanks for the post Fast Dog. I know we talked about this before but a few more questions.
Who owns the tracks? State? Why can't these tracks be bought out from these people and real greyhound folks take it over. Just pay off these track owners and get some new people in there. I am sure there are some rich folks in FL that might want to invest in this industry and make it thrive again. Just have to come up with a plan, initiate it and go all out.
They just can't sit on their hands and say, oh well, we can't doing anything about it, so let's just keep it as is.
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dad2paisley
 Posted: Mar 28 2011, 04:02 PM
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Is this the group that owns the tracks?

http://www.agtoa.com/
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 Posted: Mar 28 2011, 04:43 PM
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Yes.
That is the group that is made up of all the owners and operators.
It may be possible for someone to contact them through the site e-mail address but for you to actually send an e-mail to the owner themselves is iffy.
If you or anyone else wants to give it a try I'd go for it. The worst thing they can do is ignore you.
If you go to the AGTOA web page and then click on Track Facts, that will get you to the owners name. For instance if you look at Birmingham the owner is Milton McGregor.

I know of 3 tracks that are for sale right now and there are no takers. I'm sure there are more.
I hear your frustration. I have felt the same for a long time now. It may be easier to persuade the existing owners to change their mind and ways of doing things vs. trying to get someone to come up with the investment capitol it takes to run one of these plants.
The key here is to find out a direct way of communicating with these people other than trying to get a message through their sensor system.
So lets start sharing ideas and you can start writing. Deal?
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 Posted: Mar 28 2011, 08:07 PM
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Deal.
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 Posted: Mar 29 2011, 09:34 AM
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Far to many people thought it would never happen in Fl, well it is happening. If this bill passes it will impact the entire industry, this is more then just one or two tracks closing. Think about the ripple effect this will have.
There are some of us phoning our elected officials, writing letters and sending emails.
As I helped school this morning I couldn't help being overwhelmed by sadness......


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 Posted: Mar 29 2011, 03:26 PM
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Pat, you have no idea how bad it will get. Please take it from me. I've been through 2 track closures and it will tear your soul out.
On the last day of Wichita these were the words that haunt me to this very day. "And for the very last time, heeere comes Ozzy". I can hear the announcers words in my mind as clear as it happened 5 minutes ago. That was three and a half years ago.
Once a track closes it's nearly impossible to get it reopened. When it's over there is nothing left but tears and misery and memories.
There are quite a few folks that post on this site. By the postings I can tell there are a few of you that support racing. In the past there have been several that do not.
I have no ax to grind for anyone and their opinions.
The thing I want to share is the cost of closing one of these places down. I'd like to share with all of you what I saw and what I went through so everyone can understand what happens. The more you understand, the more effecive you will be in trying to prevent another closure. More later.
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 Posted: Mar 31 2011, 03:16 PM
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I don't like greyhound racing, but have learned a lot from this forum and can feel your sadness.
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 Posted: Apr 16 2011, 12:27 AM
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I am right here in Ft. Myers Florida. I am about 30 minutes from the Naples track and it breaks my heart into pieces. I lived in Tampa when the Tampa track closed and I was one of the ones that was helping bring the dogs off the track for the last time. We took a lot to Ft. Myers and others went to other tracks. It was very heart breaking. I have called and sent letters to my senator. I can and I am able to do anything else from this end that any one of you would think would help to stop the closures of the tracks. I am even able to start a petition if someone would tell me that would help.....

This is all coming from a 15 year ago anti racing person. I think if a lot more people saw how most of the tracks were run and that these dogs love the sport and have it in there genes. A lot of people would change their mind, I know I have and I am willing to help in anyway....

Please remember there is a bad apple in every sport. Does that mean that because the dogs can't talk for them selves we the people have to speak for the dogs? SAD!!!!I am willing to help give a voice, please tell me more of what I can do.... :D

We do have billboards around here and I know it is also a shame that more people are gambling in the casinos. The Glamor Lights, But the dogs are a Great family outing, the kids watch and the parents bet....
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 Posted: Apr 19 2011, 08:37 AM
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4 Greyhounds;
Thankyou for your post. And your change of heart as to racing. It's refreshing to finally see someone who thinks for themselves.
I raced at Naples and miss it tremendously.
We'll be in touch as to how you can help.
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 Posted: Apr 19 2011, 10:44 AM
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I'm in the Chicago area and spent a lot of time at Dairyland as a spectator and adoption volunteer. I miss those days.

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 Posted: Apr 19 2011, 03:42 PM
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I know how you feel Rich.
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